Music And We

(RECORDED ON NOVEMBER 9, 2025) Apparently, 'Michael', the Michael Jackson biopic, has been in the works for a few years.  Out of the two of them, jesse tends to follow the posthumous happenings of the MJ (and Prince) world, when jamilah doesn't at all.  jesse (of course) is excited to see this movie upon its release, when jamilah is still working to forget the travesties of This Is It, that Thriller documentary, and all other posthumous projects.  While she consistently hopes for an Errol Morris-type deep dive documentary, she knows that the reality is always going to always lean towards the vein of an Antoine Fuqua blockbuster.  
While she also understands (as usual) that her views and predictions could absolutely incorrect; her initial reactions are definitely in the minority, as the majority are giving this trailer glowing reviews, and are excited to see the movie in the Spring.  
What are your thoughts on the trailer?  Let us know!  Contact us at: musicandwepodcast@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON OCTOBER 9 & 10, 2025) jamilah traveled to California to attend the Mill Valley Film Festival premiere of 'Metallica Saved My Life' (among other things). The intent always was to capture the voices of people who attended the premiere; however, what she experienced was far more than she could have asked for.  
Present friends and community were reunited, new friends were made...  and she had the opportunity to converse with the film's director, Jonas Åkerlund.  She also sat down with her biggest musical inspiration (and a person who's music had a hand in saving her life), Lars Ulrich.  These are experiences she will forever cherish, and will never take for granted.  
Has Metallica's music saved your life?  Let us know!  Contact us at: musicandwepodcast@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON AUGUST 30, 2025) Longtime friends Abby and jamilah have been into DEVO for many, many years; however, jamilah has never seen them live.  Given that they are still touring, they decided to do a 'Flowers' episode on the Spuds born in Akron, Ohio.  
jamilah wanted to do an episode as well, particularly due to the misconceptions the band always receives.  While Abby and jamilah's song interpretations may not always be correct (and while some of the things produced have not been side eye inducing), one thing they do know is that the collective was founded as a response to right wing culture and ideologies; so seeing their songs interpreted as 'incel anthems', or seeing statements such as, "This music is what you end up with when you don't allow girls in the band," have always been a curious thing.
While not all-inclusive (obviously), they name some of their favorite songs in the catalog (with some renditions on the melodica, tambourine and cardboard box by jamilah).  While DEVO has been often imitated but never duplicated (except infamously by 'Weird' Al Yankovic (another person who should get a 'Flowers' episode)); there's a reason why their music is celebrated by many.  Interestingly, while they are celebrated (and while they had a brief moment of pop stardom), they are still relatively 'small' in comparison to some of their peers.  Because of this, they were able to maintain artistic freedom (in their various artistic projects/endeavors- which we didn't even get into...  That would be a 10 hour episode).
RIP Robert Mothersbaugh Sr. (aka General Boy), Bob (2) Casale and Alan Myers.
Thanks for listening!!!
Abby's website is https://www.abbydenson.com/
If you want to say hello (or to tell us your favorite DEVO songs), you can contact us at: musicandwepodcast@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON AUGUST 8, 2025) Anyone who's a regular/semi-regular listener to the podcast most likely is aware that (drummer) Lars Ulrich is jamilah's biggest musical inspiration; and that his band, Metallica, is her second favorite (after Earth, Wind & Fire).  Despite discussing the band quite a bit, there has never been a 'Flowers' episode.
With this episode- airing just as the band's self-titled album (aka 'The Black Album' celebrated its 34th year of existence), jamilah shares the mic with friend (and fellow Metallica appreciator) Dave Ferraro, where they discuss how they came to love the band, meaningful moments from the music (and at shows), and of course, the concept of the 'Metallica family'.  
In addition, there's plenty of laughter, a bunch of hot takes (which actually may not be hot takes), 'St. Anger' theories and conspiracies, some crew love, and much more!
Song Highlights:
-Of Wolf And Man (Mexico City, 27 September 2024)-Vuelo de la Cacahuate/A.D.O. (El Tri cover) (Mexico City, 27 September 2024)-Frayed Ends Of Sanity (And Justice For All, 1988)-Blackened (And Justice For All, 1988)-Dyers Eve (And Justice For All, 1988)-Battery (Master Of Puppets, 1986)-Battery (Detroit, Michigan, 3 November 1991)-Leper Messiah (Castle Donington/Download Festival (UK), 10 June 2023)-Fade To Black (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, 14 August 2022)-Fade To Black (40th Anniversary) (San Francisco, California, 19 December 2021)-Dirty Window (40th Anniversary) (San Francisco, California, 19 December 2021)-Dirty Window (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, 14 August 2022)-FIXXXER (40th Anniversary) (San Francisco, California, 17 December 2021)-Battery (East Rutherford, New Jersey, 4 August 2023)-Inamorata (72 Seasons, 2023)-Sleepwalk My Life Away (Castle Donington/Download Festival (UK), 8 June 2023)-Shadows Follow (East Rutherford, New Jersey, 4 August 2023)-Too Far Gone (East Rutherford, New Jersey, 6 August 2023)-Metal Militia (Zuzula Celebration) (Hollywood, Florida, 6 November 2022)-Phantom Lord (Zuzula Celebration) (Hollywood, Florida, 6 November 2022)-Room Of Mirrors (72 Seasons, 2023)-Creeping Death (Castle Donington/Download Festival (UK), 8 June 2023)-Orion (Through The Never, 2013)Thank you for listening!!!If you want to tell us about your favorite Metallica songs or moments, you can contact us at: musicandwepodcast@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON JULY 27, 2025) Music And We has been going for some time now (with a bit of a hiatus); however, the podcast was started later in the game, unlike the 2012 premiere of Witchpolice Radio.  Hosted by Sam Thompson, Witchpolice Radio focuses on the local scene in Manitoba, a province in central Canada.  
Sam and jamilah met among the circle of Propagandhi appreciators; over some time they began having conversations about various other types of music- surprising her with his vast knowledge of music coming out of Jamaica specifically.  
She isn't one who 'invites someone to the cookout' just because they're respectful of  someone's music.  However, she is one to invite someone on a podcast to discuss it.  Sam and jamilah discuss the distinctions between appreciation and appropriation, apologies and corrective action, the life of being a music nerd, love for Bad Brains and Fishbone, and more!
To listen to Witchpolice radio, go to:  https://witchpolice.com/
If you have any questions or comments for us, contact: musicandwepodcast@gmail.com
 

(RECORDED ON JULY 26, 2025) When jamilah was floating about in the middle of the Punk Rock Bowling festival (in Las Vegas), she ended up meeting Jonas Woolverton in a small tent selling skateboards and horror-themed items.  They talked briefly about punk; he handed her a flyer, regarding a play he was directing- Four Chords And A Gun, based on the story of Phil Spector's time with (the) Ramones, and their recording of the album End Of The Century.  While she greatly enjoyed the play, she ended up finding out about his other jaunts into theater, physical comedy/clowning, and the circus.  Starring and acting in The MacEnfro Show; he's also performed for many years with Cirque du Soleil for 'Zumanity', as well as 'RAIN', with Cirque Eloize. 
Jonas and jamilah discuss Ramones (of course), the various types of clowning that exist, and more!
Thanks for listening!
To learn more about Jonas, go to: https://jonaswoolverton.com/
To get a hold of us, contact: musicandwepodcast@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON APRIL 20, 2025) On April 19, 2025 jamilah and jesse took a road trip to Syracuse, NY to see Metallica- it was jesse's 6th time seeing them, and jamilah's 19th.  At one-something in the morning they decided to discuss their immediate feelings- particularly jesse, who saw them for the first time on the floor.  Were there any differences for him (besides the obvious proximity to the stage) in his experiences?
If you went to the Syracuse show- or if you've gone to any of the shows on the M72 tour, you can tell us your experiences by contacting: musicandwepodcast@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON APRIL 15, 2025) As our last episode involved a conversation with someone who is not only in one of our favorite bands, but also someone who is in arguably one of the most important bands of our time; we feel really happy to have that episode be followed up with someone who not only understands what it's like to create a podcast, but whose podcast is themed around the very band featured in our previous episode!
Greg Soden, co-host of Unscripted Moments: A Podcast About Propagandhi, was kind enough to take the little time he had out of his day to speak with us.  There were so many things we wanted to ask and talk about; in our brief time together though, we discussed the inspiration for making a podcast on such a band as Propagandhi.  We also spoke about his experience as an educator, and what he does to bring positivity and move beyond limitations in that experience.  And of course, we discuss the couple of songs that have been released (up to this point) off of Propagandhi's upcoming album.
Thanks for listening! 
To listen to Unscripted Moments, go to: https://unscriptedmoments.libsyn.com/
If you have any questions and comments for us, you can contact: musicandwepodcast@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON MARCH 20, 2025) The creation of a podcast (or radio show) is an interesting process; one of the most rewarding parts can sometimes be the most heartbreaking, as you take a lot of chances in hoping the person you've contacted will reach back out to you.  Many times they do, and there are times they don't. 
But you keep on pushing.
And pushing on is what Propagandi has done since the birth of their existence.  Facing rejection, isolation, threats and more over the years, they never waned on their mission to be a musical representation of the 'Animal-Friendly, Anti-Fascist, Gay/Trans/Non-Binary/Intersex-Positive, and Pro-Feminist' voice. 
jamilah has had a relationship with Propagandhi's music for over 20 years (beginning with Less Talk, More Rock), and they have become one of her favorite bands of all time. So admittedly, sitting down and having a conversation with guitarist, vocalist and co-songwriter Chris Hannah was a long-time dream, fulfilled.  
Chris and jamilah discuss a range of subjects, from growing up as punk (and metal) kids in the 80s and 90s, aging bodies and self-care, musical inspirations, subject matter caveats, ideological maturation, current Canada/US relations, parenthood, and more.
Songs featured:
-Fuck The Border (Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes, Fat Wreck Chords, 2001)-Oka Everywhere (Where Quantity Is Job #1 (Compilation), G7 Welcoming Committee, 1998)-When All Your Fears Collide (Victory Lap, Epitaph, 2017)-Haillie Sallasse, Up Your Ass (How To Clean Everything, Fat Wreck Chords, 1993)-Comply/Resist (Victory Lap, Epitaph, 2017)-A People's History Of The World (Less Talk, More Rock; Fat Wreck Chords, 1996)-Apparently, I'm A "P.C. Fascist" (Because I Care About Both Human And Non-Human Animals) (Less Talk, More Rock; Fat Wreck Chords, 1996)-Superbowl Patriot XXXVI (Enter The Mendicant) (Potemkin City Limits; G7 Welcoming Committee/Fat Wreck Chords, 1996)-Dear Coach's Corner (Supporting Caste, G7 Welcoming Committee/Smallman Records, 2009)-At Peace (from upcoming album 'At Peace'; Epitaph, 2025)-Rio De San Atlanta, Manitoba (Less Talk, More Rock; Fat Wreck Chords, 1996)-Cognitive Suicide (Failed States, Epitaph, 2012)-Letters To A Young Anus (Victory Lap, Epitaph, 2017)-Note To Self (Failed States, Epitaph, 2012)
Thanks for listening!
For more information and to keep up with Propagandhi, go to:  https://propagandhi.com/
To get a hold of us, you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com

(RECORDED ON FEBRUARY 28, 2025) Black Metal as a subgenre tends to get a pretty bad rap- not only because of its sound, but also because some of the most well-known proponents have unsavory, toxic and hateful alliances.   On jamilah's search for some counters to this stereotype, she found the Youtube channel of a certain Brutus Bathory, a leftist Black Metal fan who gave an anticapitalist, critical lens to the music he loves. 
Slightly sarcastically described as a channel which discusses "Metal, politics, and other uncontroversial topics," Brutus addresses the contradictions of patriarchy, consumerism, and the various forms of reactionary sentiments and behaviors which permeate the scene.  His commentaries are a measured love letter of sorts; with well-researched, and pretty accessible responses.  While he displays adoration for a music that has gotten him through life, he pleads for its static nature to cease.
In the conversation, jamilah and Brutus discuss some of the content of the commentaries, as well as addressing some of our own personal (at some points major) contradictions regarding the music we love. 
For questions, comments, etc.  you can reach us here: musicandwejj@gmail.com